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Cayuga USA v0.8 Released!

Started by Dash5155, December 14, 2016, 07:07:12 pm

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Dash5155

Cayuga USA 0.8 (Beta Release)

Cayuga USA 0.8
Version: 0.8 Beta, Release: December 27th, 2019




This is a fictional US State that would be located between Pennsylvania and New Jersey. In this map, you'll notice that most (if not all) of the routes here serve their own purpose, including (but not limited to) connecting a suburban town to the main city, or transporting the locals around their town.

Whether you want to drive a corner-to-corner urban route, a super limited BRT route, a long distance commuter express route, or even kick it into very low gear and do a park and ride shuttle, the Cayuga USA map has it all

Download here (as usual, you'll have to remember to select "load map without buses" before you load the map the first time in order for it to show up in the menu):
Download version: 0.8 Beta, Release: December 27th, 2019
Repaint pack (separate from the install package) is available here

Additional sceneryobjects and splines

If you are upgrading from an older version, you MUST REPLACE all the files that come with this version, including repaints, hof files, etc, else you will encounter glitches and incompatible hofs, which I will NOT be supporting

Required maps are:
DBC Chicago.


Vehicles needed for AI are (optional, as the map will still run without these):
New Flyer Powertrain Mod
Gillig Low Floor

If there are any issues, comment here.

[changelog]Changes since 12/15/16 release:

- Repaired DBC_Chicago_Citybus paints previously refusing to upgrade due to old .dds files being available
- corrected hof file error that made buses display "18th-Market" instead of "18th-City" on cutback trips
- updated line list file for all buses
- corrected reversed traffic light along route 203
- corrected helpers on route 203 between Downtown Greenville and Greenville Bus Depot
- optimized "low" AI lists
- Corrected hof file error that had "Welcome to Springfield" play for County Line - Greenville stops
- Fixed typo in the announcement that prevented "Gravers Lane" announcement from playing

Changes since 12/21/16 Release:

- Corrected traffic lights at Front-Market to be solid instead of left turn only lights
- Created an obstacle along Market Street between 13th and 15th, for the City Hall
- Cut back routes 34 and 35 to City Hall in order to keep them on schedule
- Rebranded route 319 as "CCTA Direct"
- Added in South Cayuga Depot and made former route 17 a fully drivable route
- filled in more of Cayuga City, adding in an AI elevated train to run in the interrum
- Removed the "Cayuga City Articulated Buses" and "Cayuga City Highway Buses" AI groups from the map
- Replaced the 205 shuttle with routes 205 and 206 Darrah Breeze lines
- several cosmetic changes and repaint updates.

Changes since 4/28/17 Release:

- Fixed invisible wall at Nelson Medical Center
- Fixed lighting along city avenue
- Fixed "Entry ends after next entry begins" error on route 17 and 48
- Replaced all static DBC Chicago buses with static Flxible buses
- Replaced all static police cars with that by MTA3306
- Properly labeled the RP Transit group in the AI for the #low list, thus the 102, 203, 205, and 206 runs in low settings
- removed all payware objects from the package
- Added "David M Objects" to the package (due to it being completely removed from the web; Winsenburg is no longer a requirement)

Changes since 4/30/17 Release:

- Replaced Collins Transit Center with a more multi-modal railroad station
- Replaced all Chicago bus shelters with the more standard bus shelters
- Replaced all Chicago bus stop signs with custom signs made by Orange
- Replaced all Chicago sign poles with the GG sign poles
- Corrected LFS paints, which originally had a blurred logo on the front
- Corrected an error in the AI list, that had the Daytonford cab running in modern day, despite chrono not existing
- Corrected error in the "Metra" schedule that prevented trains from stopping at any station
- Corrected direction of helper arrow on 20th Street northbound to get onto I-90 Southbound
- Corrected error in hof files that made announcements on route 48 to Front-Market and route 61 to University City, to ultimately play out of sequence
- Removed traffic cars from train tracks in Greenville
- Removed helper arrows pointing to routes that do not yet exist (i.e. 75)
- Added overnight service to CCTA route 17
- Added route 48 to more bus stops along Market Street
- Added subway/elevated station at 20th and Venango
- Added RP Transit paints to the MCI, and NovaBus LFS
- Added Chrono Events that affect the AI and some bus routes. The MCI D4500CT and GM/NovaBus/MCI Classic are now requirements
- Added AI-railroad service to Keystone City
- Added AI group exclusively for coach buses as well as 40 foot Lakeland buses (depending on year)

Changes Since 5/4/17 release:
- Added new CCTA livery for modern AI to NFI Xcelsior (future update version), NovaBus LFS, and Orion VII NG
- Fixed error where MCI coaches show up white on the 102 instead of the RPT buses
- Fixed randomly lagging/disappearing tile error with all 0.5/0.6 branches of the map
- Fixed error in chono where the 206, 301, and 319 lines would operate in eras where they should not.

Changes Since 6/4/17 release:
- Updated to version 0.7.0

New update!

Changes since 11/4/2018 release:
- Fixed issues with collisions along south 20th Street
- modified terrain to use the same ground and street textures as the roads
- fixed route 14 scheduling errors
- fixed road map
- dramatically increased service along route 17
- added scenery along Wyoming Avenue, and other active parts of the map
- fixed the infamous "ring" by the City Line exit on I-90 South

Changes since 11/11/2018 release:
- Added route 54 and 75 to list of drivable routes
- Extended routes 301 and 319 to Wayne Junction
- Removed references to route 34 and 35 along Market St.
- Corrected Helpers along Cicero
- Removed routes 3 and 20
- Scenery placement updates

Changes since 12/25/18 release
Corrections:
  • Corrects the remaining "147" stops along Buselton Avenue
  • Removes requirements for "the missing "50m Terrain Spline" and Ashleytales junction
  • Added "BMO Objects" to the install package
  • Corrected traffic lights and "parked cars" along Market Street

Additions:
  • Extends Subway service to "South Depot" (with no additional stops as of yet, due to potential re-routing)
  • Added new route 20 to line-up, (tacked onto the route 70 timetable)
  • Adds "DBC" Cars and articulated buses to AI list, regardless of settings
  • Added a "last situation" so that "Load Map without buses" is not required to find the map in the menu"

Changes since 1/2/19 release:
Additions:
  • Added traffic lights along Buselton Avenue
  • Added Announcements along Wyoming Avenue

Corrections:
  • Adjusted scenery along Buselton between 5th Avenue and Woodlawn
  • Removed route 3 signs along Buselton
  • Corrected .hof files to correctly display route 75 to Wayne Junction or Arrott TC.
  • Re-did ALL exterior announcements so that they're more consistent volume-wise.
  • Fixed TTData files so that route 54 is drivable on a schedule.


Changes since 1/7/19 release:
Additions:
  • Added scenery along Route 173 and Buselton Avenue
  • Added stops along route Route 173 in South Lakeland
  • Added new routes 31 (by MattOnBoardBus2100) and 49 (effectively eliminating route 62)

Corrections:
  • Removed route 147 stops at Fern Rock, and North Buselton Avenue
  • Removed route 62 (in favor of route 49)
  • Removed extra route 3 helpers along City Ave (route 3 was removed in an earlier version)
  • Removed extra helpers for route 62 along Market Street
  • Corrected .hof files to play announcements on route 75 (The right way)
  • Fixed route 12 exterior announcements incorrectly calling out the wrong directions.
  • Corrected issue in .hof files for "Churakrueger" buses where the display signs incorrectly displayed "Central Direct to Wayne Junction," effectively causing passengers to refuse boarding

Changes since 2/25/19 release:
Additions:
  • Extended route 49 to the International Airport
  • Created route 46 along 60th Street in West Cayuga City
  • Created routes 801 and 803 in the Cayuga International Airport

Corrections:
  • Added traffic lights along 21st Street north of Market
  • Added traffic light to 20th and Industrial Highway
  • Added helper to route 49 towards 19th-Dauphin at 20th and Thompson
  • Several .hof file issues cleaned up

Changes since 4/15/19 release:
Numbering changes
Most routes have been renumbered, with the exception of most CANTA local routes
  • Local routes in Lakeland became lettered*
  • Routes 202, 204, were renumbered to routes 92, 94, respectively.
[/li][/list]
*Lakeland Routes will not retain their original forms. See Route Changes for DetailsRouting changes:Many existing routes will change based on some comments given in the past operations wise.
    • Lakeland - I greatly apologize that I was too stubborn to change this system in the past, but I really wanted Lakeland to feel like the original Lakeland map. I am finally going to listen and do what's right for the community.

      • Routes 214, 215, and 216 were eliminated
      • New route A takes over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Terry Road. This new route will operate via route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to Keswick Overwatch, then to Barnes Estates following the original routing of route 216
      • New route B takes over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Main Street. This new route will operate via Route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to National Park, then to Barnes Estates following the current route 214
      • New route D serves National Park and Lakeland Walmart
      • Routes A, B, and D terminates on the street at Collins Transit Center. Routes A, B will turn into route D buses at Collins Transportation Center and vice versa.

    • Greenville
      • Greenville Transit Hub was removed completely. All routes operating to said hub were rerouted to serve Downtown Greenville and/or Springfield Mall.
      • Route 201 is now called "Eastside Circulator," and operates as a hybrid between current routes 201 and 202 terminating in Downtown Greenville.
      • A new Shopper's Special route 203 starts in Downtown Greenville, operating to Springfield Mall.
      • GREAT routes became inter-lined. Route 201 trips continue as route 203 trips, and Vice-Versa
      • CANTA route 34 was re-routed via Darrah Peak, Terminating in Downtown Greenville
Operations
This is only minor changes, but for those that follow the lure of Cayuga USA, this will change things up quite a bit.
    • Cayuga and Northern Transportation Authority replaced Cayuga City Transportation Authority.
    • Cayuga and Northern Transportation Authority assumed operations over routes 92 and 94.
    • CANTA Airport Shuttles now operate with small buses
    [/changelog]



    The patch which fixes known issues will come out January 3rd.


Dash5155

I was jokingly talking to @Onionwolf on facebook about this and he said it might actually happen if I say this so let's see.

I'm basically about to open the doors, and either shoo everyone away or be forced to get back to OMSI work:

https://paypal.me/Dash5155

If we can reach $50 in donations towards development tools, I will resume working on OMSI 2.


I mean the people who donate would get rewarded with early access if the goal is met, and if not met I'll simply give a direct link to the New Flyer Powertrain mod.

Prove me wrong.


Dash5155

Alright everyone put your wallets away, unless you want early access anyway.
To get an idea as to what you guys bought, it was a backup SSD so that I don't lose progress again - in case my computer fails again. Probably the biggest thing that hinders progress on any of the maps I work on. So thank you!

So here's a breif summary of what's I have planned, which was not part of the original plans for 0.8 but they will make things make so much more sense:


Numbering changes
Most routes are going to renumbered, with the exception of most CCTA local routes
  • CCTA Direct Routes 301, 314, and 319 will be renumbered to 501, 500, and 502 respectively.
  • Local routes in Lakeland will become lettered*
  • Routes 201, 202, 204, 205 206 will be renumbered to routes 90, 92, 94, 310, and 311 respectively.
  • CCCTA Local routes 34, 35, will be renumbered to 66 and 67
*Lakeland Routes will not retain their original forms. See Route Changes for Details

Routing changes:
Many existing routes will change based on some comments given in the past operations wise.
  • Lakeland - I greatly apologize that I was too stubborn to change this system in the past, but I really wanted Lakeland to feel like the original Lakeland map. I am finally going to listen and do what's right for the community.
    • Routes 214, 215, and 216 will be eliminated
    • Route A will take over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Terry Road. This new route will operate via route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to Keswick Overwatch, then to Barnes Estates following the original routing of route 216
    • Route B will take over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Main Street. This new route will operate via Route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to National Park, then to Barnes Estates following the current route 214
    • Route 217 will become route C, without any changes (for now).
    • Route 218 and 219 will become routes D and E respectively.
    • Route D will serve National Park and Lakeland Walmart (which does not current exist), before continuing to Tremont Park and Ride, then terminating at Seneca Street.
    • CCTA Route 14 will be rerouted via Lakeland Walmart, and terminate at the current Lakeland route 214, 216, and 217 spot inside Collins Transportation Center
    • Routes A, B, and D will terminate on the street at Collins Transit Center. Routes A, B will turn into route D buses at Collins Transportation Center and vice versa.
    • Route C will take the old spot for route 215 at Collins Transit Center.
  • Greenville
    • Greenville Transit Hub will be reduced removed completely. All routes currently operating to here will be rerouted to serve Downtown Greenville and/or Springfield Mall.
    • Route 201 will be called "Eastside Circulator," and will operate as a hybrid between current routes 201 and 202 terminating in Downtown Greenville.
    • Service to Greenville High School will become route 202, to be called "School Service", and operate as an express from Downtown Greenville on weekdays 6am-8am and 2:30pm-5:30pm
    • A new Shopper's Special route 203 will start in Downtown Greenville, operating to Springfield Mall.
    • GREAT routes will become inter-lined. Route 201 trips continue as route 203 trips, and Vice-Versa
    • CCTA route 34 will be re-routed via Darrah Peak, Terminating at Austin-Madison
    • Route 94 (currently route 204) will be re-routed in Darrah Peak, operating via Darrah Peak Railroad Station and Darrah Peak Industrial Park, then operating down Main Street to Downtown Greenvile, then continue via Springfield Road to northern Springfield
    • A new route 93 will be introduced, operating from Darrah Peak Terminal to Austin-Madison, via Washington Lane

Operations
This is only minor changes, but for those that follow the lure of Cayuga USA, this will change things up quite a bit.
  • Cayuga City Transportation Authority will take over routes 91, 92, 94, 310, and 311.
  • CCTA Airport Shuttles will operate with small buses

These changes will be ON TOP of what was already planned for 0.8.

If you have other suggestions that weren't mentioned here or in the original post about 0.8, let me know and I will integrate them into the future version.

As for the ones who sent donations, whenever I complete enough changes where I feel it's ready to send, I will email you. As for the ones who didn't and feel like I cheated you - don't worry, the full release will come after the ones who donated give feedback. Provided nothing game-breaking is found, it should only be a week after I send them the link, as I usually wait until things are ready for release before I start sharing them, even among friends.

HOWEVER

This is a lot of changes. Don't expect a release any time soon. The donation link will remain open in case anyone else wants to support it. The back-up drive is probably the best thing for this map but it also opens the door for future opportunities as well. So I give my thanks for that.

For those that are unaware the donation link exists, here it is below:
https://paypal.me/Dash5155

I'll have screenshots of some changes at least by the end of the month...

P.S. I'll probably go back to the discord servers at some point. Whenever I have time to do so.


P.S.S. Cayuga USA is NOT payware, nor is it donationware. The reason I am offering early access to Donors is so that they get something as compensation for what they've sent. Cayuga USA is, and always will be freeware. To reiterate, even if you do not donate, you will still get Cayuga USA and all public updates. Only the first update that I'm working on will come early to donors, and as I've previously stated it would only be a week before the public release unless something game-breaking is discovered (Example: a tile being completely broken by a change, or a route completely not working).

MillerRichard1

Quote from: Dash5155 on August 05, 2019, 11:36:29 pmAlright everyone put your wallets away, unless you want early access anyway.
To get an idea as to what you guys bought, it was a backup SSD so that I don't lose progress again - in case my computer fails again. Probably the biggest thing that hinders progress on any of the maps I work on. So thank you!

So here's a breif summary of what's I have planned, which was not part of the original plans for 0.8 but they will make things make so much more sense:


Numbering changes
Most routes are going to renumbered, with the exception of most CCTA local routes
  • CCTA Direct Routes 301, 314, and 319 will be renumbered to 501, 500, and 502 respectively.
  • Local routes in Lakeland will become lettered*
  • Routes 201, 202, 204, 205 206 will be renumbered to routes 90, 92, 94, 310, and 311 respectively.
  • CCCTA Local routes 34, 35, will be renumbered to 66 and 67
*Lakeland Routes will not retain their original forms. See Route Changes for Details

Routing changes:
Many existing routes will change based on some comments given in the past operations wise.
  • Lakeland - I greatly apologize that I was too stubborn to change this system in the past, but I really wanted Lakeland to feel like the original Lakeland map. I am finally going to listen and do what's right for the community.
    • Routes 214, 215, and 216 will be eliminated
    • Route A will take over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Terry Road. This new route will operate via route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to Keswick Overwatch, then to Barnes Estates following the original routing of route 216
    • Route B will take over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Main Street. This new route will operate via Route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to National Park, then to Barnes Estates following the current route 214
    • Route 217 will become route C, without any changes (for now).
    • Route 218 and 219 will become routes D and E respectively.
    • Route D will serve National Park and Lakeland Walmart (which does not current exist), before continuing to Tremont Park and Ride, then terminating at Seneca Street.
    • CCTA Route 14 will be rerouted via Lakeland Walmart, and terminate at the current Lakeland route 214, 216, and 217 spot inside Collins Transportation Center
    • Routes A, B, and D will terminate on the street at Collins Transit Center. Routes A, B will turn into route D buses at Collins Transportation Center and vice versa.
    • Route C will take the old spot for route 215 at Collins Transit Center.
  • Greenville
    • Greenville Transit Hub will be reduced removed completely. All routes currently operating to here will be rerouted to serve Downtown Greenville and/or Springfield Mall.
    • Route 201 will be called "Eastside Circulator," and will operate as a hybrid between current routes 201 and 202 terminating in Downtown Greenville.
    • Service to Greenville High School will become route 202, to be called "School Service", and operate as an express from Downtown Greenville on weekdays 6am-8am and 2:30pm-5:30pm
    • A new Shopper's Special route 203 will start in Downtown Greenville, operating to Springfield Mall.
    • GREAT routes will become inter-lined. Route 201 trips continue as route 203 trips, and Vice-Versa
    • CCTA route 66 will be re-routed via Darrah Peak, Terminating at Austin-Madison
    • Route 92 (currently route 202) will be re-routed in Darrah Peak, operating via Darrah Peak Railroad Station and Darrah Peak Industrial Park, then operating down Main Street to Downtown Greenvile, then continue via Roosevelt Boulevard to Darradale Community College
    • A new route 93 will be introduced, operating from Darrah Peak Terminal to Austin-Madison, via Washington Lane

Operations
This is only minor changes, but for those that follow the lure of Cayuga USA, this will change things up quite a bit.
  • Cayuga City Transportation Authority will take over routes 91, 92, 94, 310, and 311.
  • CCTA Airport Shuttles will operate with small buses

These changes will be ON TOP of what was already planned for 0.8.

If you have other suggestions that wasn't mentioned here or in the original post about 0.8, let me know and I will integrate them into the future version.

As for the ones who sent donations, whenever I complete enough changes where I feel it's ready to send, I will email you. As for the ones who didn't and feel like I cheated you - don't worry, the full release will come after the ones who donated give feedback. Provided nothing game-breaking is found, it should only be a week after I send them the link, as I usually wait until things are ready for release before I start sharing them, even among friends.

HOWEVER

This is a lot of changes. Don't expect a release any time soon. The donation link will remain open in case anyone else wants to support. The back-up drive is probably the best thing for this map but it also opens the door for future opportunities as well. So I give my thanks for that.

For those that are unaware the donation link exists, here it is below:
https://paypal.me/Dash5155

I'll have screenshots of some changes at least by the end of the month...

P.S. I'll probably go back the the discord servers at some point. Whenever I have time to do so.


P.S.S. Cayuga USA is NOT payware, nor is it donation ware. The reason I am offering early access to Donors is so that they get something as compensation for what they've sent. Cayuga USA is, and always will be freeware. To reiterate, even if you do not donate, you will still get Cayuga USA and all public updates. Only the first update that I'm working on will come early to donors, and as I've previously stated it would only be a week before the public release unless something game-breaking is discovered (Example: a tile being completely broken by a change, or a route completely not working).

As said in your video shown here - https://youtu.be/kuWqC7eTJCc - You mentioned in the description that, and I quote, "One day this line will be complete, and then it will be drivable" So my question to you is, is this something that may still be in the works or have you scrapped this idea all together?" It would be awesome to finally have a train route we can do in OMSI as driving the trams just ain't cutting it anymore for me XD. I give you this as a suggestion for Cayuga 0.8 as well as something I was thinking about since you dropped this announcement. Also, because why not? I've never seen anyone talk about it except for in that video so.. idk; just a little food for thought

Dash5155

Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 06, 2019, 12:13:32 pmAs said in your video shown here - https://youtu.be/kuWqC7eTJCc - You mentioned in the description that, and I quote, "One day this line will be complete, and then it will be drivable" So my question to you is, is this something that may still be in the works or have you scrapped this idea all together?" It would be awesome to finally have a train route we can do in OMSI as driving the trams just ain't cutting it anymore for me XD. I give you this as a suggestion for Cayuga 0.8 as well as something I was thinking about since you dropped this announcement. Also, because why not? I've never seen anyone talk about it except for in that video so.. idk; just a little food for thought
All the plans for future updates that I mentioned previously, still apply today. The ones I mentioned are new ones, based on suggestions given in the past.


MillerRichard1

Quote from: Dash5155 on August 06, 2019, 01:12:31 pmAll the plans for future updates that I mentioned previously, still apply today. The ones I mentioned are new ones, based on suggestions given in the past.

Well I have 4 suggestions:

1. Create a 69th Street TC. Correct me if I'm wrong but Cayuga is practically an expansion to Grundelphia right? So.. perhaps, creating this would be something great and creating some routes and/or changing some other routes such as: 65, 30 (which can terminate at 30th street station) or 108 (which can terminate at the UPS Air Hub w/ existing routes 68 and 803) Especially given that in Grundelphia, shown in the list of terminals is 69th St. TC but it's not in the map
2. A trolley route such as the 10 (as heard during the interior announcements of route 46)
3. Creation of an express route that goes from the Airport to Collins TC and vise versa or Airport to Arrott Terminal
4. Speaking of Collins TC, perhaps renaming it to Frankford TC. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the name (Collins TC) but calling it Frankford TC sounds more fitting.

Just some added suggestions I came up with :) I know not everything is a given guarantee but after playing in Cayuga USA for so long as well as OMSI 2 itself as a whole, I feel like some things can be changed to bring a new aspect into the OMSI game (such as the trolley route like I mentioned) or some things imo can be used to make things feel more.. Philly-like.. I have no other way to put it but idk.. either way, there you go. I know you have a lot on your plate irl and now with Cayuga USA given this huge announcement you delivered but like they say, "Be a voice, not an echo" and these were things I've always wanted but felt would be too much to implement

Dash5155

Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 06, 2019, 02:32:28 pmWell I have 4 suggestions:

1. Create a 69th Street TC.
Already in the works. But I can honestly say it might not ever get done because the amount of effort that would need to go into making sure the routes that serve there actually do would be insaneeee.


Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 06, 2019, 02:32:28 pm2. A trolley route such as the 10 (as heard during the interior announcements of route 46)
A possibility. I experimented with it before but to be honest, in OMSI you can't simply put a tram where a bus goes... so I honestly might just can the idea completely and do it more like the 15 instead. The 10 will be a route be a route regardless but no time soon.
Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 06, 2019, 02:32:28 pm3. Creation of an express route that goes from the Airport to Collins TC and vise versa or Airport to Arrott Terminal
I mean the "Airport Line" Train goes from Arrott TC to the Airport (in spirit, since in practice it stops at a stub below south depot... but that's mostly because lag hindered that area useless). So to have a bus route do the same thing makes for a very inconvient route. However I was thinking of having it be a night-only route similar to the MFL/BSL in Philly
Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 06, 2019, 02:32:28 pm4. Speaking of Collins TC, perhaps renaming it to Frankford TC. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the name (Collins TC) but calling it Frankford TC sounds more fitting.
My last name IRL is Collins. lol That's where the name comes from. Honestly if Collins TC was a place in Philly, it would be where Norristown sits in life (even having a similar layout but reversed) so if anything it would be Norristown... but that's so silly because it's in Lakeland lol!

Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 06, 2019, 02:32:28 pmJust some added suggestions I came up with :) I know not everything is a given guarantee but after playing in Cayuga USA for so long as well as OMSI 2 itself as a whole, I feel like some things can be changed to bring a new aspect into the OMSI game (such as the trolley route like I mentioned) or some things imo can be used to make things feel more.. Philly-like.. I have no other way to put it but idk.. either way, there you go. I know you have a lot on your plate irl and now with Cayuga USA given this huge announcement you delivered but like they say, "Be a voice, not an echo" and these were things I've always wanted but felt would be too much to implement
Well a lot of what you said coincide with what my plans are anyway, so you aren't wrong for wanting them (as they say, great minds think alike). Plus if you want a change and don't tell me,  then how would I know you want the change? lol

MillerRichard1

Quote from: Dash5155 on August 06, 2019, 09:25:01 pmAlready in the works. But I can honestly say it might not ever get done because the amount of effort that would need to go into making sure the routes that serve there actually do would be insaneeee.

A possibility. I experimented with it before but to be honest, in OMSI you can't simply put a tram where a bus goes... so I honestly might just can the idea completely and do it more like the 15 instead. The 10 will be a route be a route regardless but no time soon.I mean the "Airport Line" Train goes from Arrott TC to the Airport (in spirit, since in practice it stops at a stub below south depot... but that's mostly because lag hindered that area useless). So to have a bus route do the same thing makes for a very inconvient route. However I was thinking of having it be a night-only route similar to the MFL/BSL in PhillyMy last name IRL is Collins. lol That's where the name comes from. Honestly if Collins TC was a place in Philly, it would be where Norristown sits in life (even having a similar layout but reversed) so if anything it would be Norristown... but that's so silly because it's in Lakeland lol!
Well a lot of what you said coincide with what my plans are anyway, so you aren't wrong for wanting them (as they say, great minds think alike). Plus if you want a change and don't tell me,  then how would I know you want the change? lol

1. Understandable
2. I was thinking about the 15 earlier as well lmao but the 10 was the first thing that came to my mind XD
3. Hmm... never thought about it like that. That sounds pretty awesome!! But will you still make it a train route or switch it to a bus route instead? Really was looking forward to the train aspect
4. Well I already knew that lmao cause I'm friends with you on Facebook. I only thought of it being named Frankford TC cause irl the 14 bus does go to Frankford and the 14 in-game goes to Collins so it's pretty obvious how I came up with that concept
5. Indeed they do say, "Great minds think alike" and with that said, I'm looking forward to the big changes coming soon with Cayuga USA!

If I ever have any more ideas, I'll let you know! :) I'll try not to overflow you with them cause like I said before, I know you already have a lot on your plate with everything right now so far XD

The Lycanroc Gamer

I have a few ideas for the new version of Cayuga USA:

1) Add in a CCTA version of SEPTA route 8 (FOX Xpress) from Arrot to Fern Rock

2) bump up the frequency of routes 12 and 16

3) add Artics on 49 (and maybe 48?)

4) increase passenger count on 48

5) Reroute 68 Express to follow 68 Local.

That should be it.

Dash5155

Quote from: The Lycanroc Gamer on August 07, 2019, 07:27:03 amI have a few ideas for the new version of Cayuga USA:

1) Add in a CCTA version of SEPTA route 8 (FOX Xpress) from Arrot to Fern Rock

You mean a stub route that does what the 47 and 16 already do? That's an oversaturation of service don'cha think? Besides routes 34, 35, and 75 connects with route 47 which for the most part is a combination of routes 12 and 16 so it would make no sense to have more service headed that way
Quote from: The Lycanroc Gamer on August 07, 2019, 07:27:03 am2) bump up the frequency of routes 12 and 16

From an operations standpoint: Why? The 47 does what the 16 does, and the 54 as well. Both are frequent routes. Again same as above: There's no point in oversaturating service in this corridor as it's already been done. Also the 12 is plenty frequent, so there's no need for that either.

Quote from: The Lycanroc Gamer on August 07, 2019, 07:27:03 am3) add Artics on 49 (and maybe 48?)

49 is a definite no because lag.
48 wouldn't make sense because it's not the heaviest route
Quote from: The Lycanroc Gamer on August 07, 2019, 07:27:03 am4) increase passenger count on 48

Yeah no people don't like their computers self destructing from OMSI lag
Quote from: The Lycanroc Gamer on August 07, 2019, 07:27:03 am5) Reroute 68 Express to follow 68 Local.

That should be it.
But... why?

LHB7221

Merge the 19 with the 2 for certain midday runs.

And maybe create Rt 91. Been seeing arrows for it.

MillerRichard1

This thought just crossed my mind, Dash are these new routes going to be having exterior announcements? If so, are they going to be male or female voices? I personally prefer the male voices over the female one

The Lycanroc Gamer

Quote from: Dash5155 on August 07, 2019, 03:44:46 pmYou mean a stub route that does what the 47 and 16 already do? That's an oversaturation of service don'cha think? Besides routes 34, 35, and 75 connects with route 47 which for the most part is a combination of routes 12 and 16 so it would make no sense to have more service headed that way
From an operations standpoint: Why? The 47 does what the 16 does, and the 54 as well. Both are frequent routes. Again same as above: There's no point in oversaturating service in this corridor as it's already been done. Also the 12 is plenty frequent, so there's no need for that either.

49 is a definite no because lag.
48 wouldn't make sense because it's not the heaviest routeYeah no people don't like their computers self destructing from OMSI lagBut... why?

1) I really should've thought ahead

2) I remember like a few months ago you mentioned Artics on 49 so idk if it's still happening.

3) True. My computer can't handle most of MTA's mods lulz

4)Here's the problem: 68 express arrows go straight but there's nothing there.

Dash5155

Quote from: The Lycanroc Gamer on August 07, 2019, 06:58:00 pm4)Here's the problem: 68 express arrows go straight but there's nothing there.

So reroute the 68 EXPRESS and make it take a longer route because you're lost on the arrows?

wxman4life

My personal opinion is make more routes like the 46. Something about those neighborhood routes I really enjoy!  It's my favorite route to drive.

Jonathan the great

i was thinking you shoud add more Direct and express routes

Chris4078

I was thinking to add more routes into the Lakeland Walmart the 14 could use a little help with that

htownman25

Quote from: Jonathan the great on August 11, 2019, 01:17:36 pmi was thinking you should add more Direct and express routes

Maybe but from where to where?  I reckon there needs to be at least one (or more) express routes going to the airport, IMHO.

Dash5155

Quote from: wxman4life on August 10, 2019, 09:42:31 pmMy personal opinion is make more routes like the 46. Something about those neighborhood routes I really enjoy!  It's my favorite route to drive.
That's the plan with this version. I'm going to try and make less of the downtown area routes and more of the outer routes. Effectively making things less.... "busy" on these lines as well. (we're talking limited traffic and buses once an hour).
Quote from: Jonathan the great on August 11, 2019, 01:17:36 pmi was thinking you shoud add more Direct and express routes
I mean but where though? I have plans to add express buses from the airport to other areas in the city, but otherwise idk.
Quote from: htownman25 on August 13, 2019, 10:58:30 pmMaybe but from where to where?  I reckon there needs to be at least one (or more) express routes going to the airport, IMHO.
Okay this.
Quote from: Chris4078 on August 13, 2019, 03:19:06 amI was thinking to add more routes into the Lakeland Walmart the 14 could use a little help with that
There will be a circulator route that goes from Collins T.C. Lakeland and National Park to the Walmart, and back. there will also be one from Tremont Park and Ride to the Walmart, then direct to Collins T.C. Other than that, no plans are in place to do this. I want to give the Walmart the appropriate suburban feeling with hourly service.

Chris4078

What routes are you thinking for the circular routes

Dash5155

Quote from: Chris4078 on August 14, 2019, 02:19:54 amWhat routes are you thinking for the circular routes

Quote from: Dash5155 on August 05, 2019, 11:36:29 pmRouting changes:
Many existing routes will change based on some comments given in the past operations wise.
  • Lakeland
    • Route A will take over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Terry Road. This new route will operate via route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to Keswick Overwatch, then to Barnes Estates following the original routing of route 216
    • Route B will take over operation from Collins Transportation Center to Barnes Estates via Main Street. This new route will operate via Route 173 (Roosevelt Boulevard) to National Park, then to Barnes Estates following the current route 214
    • Route 217 will become route C, without any changes (for now).
    • Route 218 and 219 will become routes D and E respectively.
    • Route D will serve National Park and Lakeland Walmart (which does not current exist), before continuing to Tremont Park and Ride, then terminating at Seneca Street.
    • CCTA Route 14 will be rerouted via Lakeland Walmart, and terminate at the current Lakeland route 214, 216, and 217 spot inside Collins Transportation Center
    • Routes A, B, and D will terminate on the street at Collins Transit Center. Routes A, B will turn into route D buses at Collins Transportation Center and vice versa.
    • Route C will take the old spot for route 215 at Collins Transit Center.
  • Greenville
    • Route 201 will be called "Eastside Circulator," and will operate as a hybrid between current routes 201 and 202 terminating in Downtown Greenville.
    • Service to Greenville High School will become route 202, to be called "School Service", and operate as an express from Downtown Greenville on weekdays 6am-8am and 2:30pm-5:30pm
    • A new Shopper's Special route 203 will start in Downtown Greenville, operating to Springfield Mall.
    • GREAT routes will become inter-lined. Route 201 trips continue as route 203 trips, and Vice-Versa

MillerRichard1

I think personally the 14 that goes to Austin-Madison needs to have a change in number. I mean it goes to too many destinations: Springfield Mall, Arrott TC, Collins TC, Austin-Madison and I think there's one more (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not saying that the route has to be changed but just make the number something different. I know me and a buddy talked about different numbers. He suggested route 7, however, I was thinking (to stay within double digits) maybe like call it route 24 or like a route 73. Idk.. Just something different

htownman25

Quote from: MillerRichard1 on August 14, 2019, 03:28:22 amI think personally the 14 that goes to Austin-Madison needs to have a change in number. I mean it goes to too many destinations: Springfield Mall, Arrott TC, Collins TC, Austin-Madison and I think there's one more (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not saying that the route has to be changed but just make the number something different. I know me and a buddy talked about different numbers. He suggested route 7, however, I was thinking (to stay within double digits) maybe like call it route 24 or like a route 73. Idk.. Just something different

The 14 originates from Arrott TC and goes to the following locations:  Springfield Mall, Collins TC, and Austin-Madison.  If there really needs to be a change to differentiate the variants of the 14, either go that route or (if possible) add a designated letter.

Examples:

Option 1 (changing numbers)=>14 from Arrott TC to Collins TC; 15 from Arrott TC to Springfield Mall; 18 from Arrott TC to Austin-Madison.

Option 2 (adding designated letters - only if possible)=>14C from Arrott TC to Collins TC; 14S from Arrott TC to Springfield Mall; 14A from Arrott TC to Austin-Madison.

MillerRichard1

Quote from: htownman25 on August 14, 2019, 11:09:13 amThe 14 originates from Arrott TC and goes to the following locations:  Springfield Mall, Collins TC, and Austin-Madison.  If there really needs to be a change to differentiate the variants of the 14, either go that route or (if possible) add a designated letter.

Examples:

Option 1 (changing numbers)=>14 from Arrott TC to Collins TC; 15 from Arrott TC to Springfield Mall; 18 from Arrott TC to Austin-Madison.

Option 2 (adding designated letters - only if possible)=>14C from Arrott TC to Collins TC; 14S from Arrott TC to Springfield Mall; 14A from Arrott TC to Austin-Madison.

With your option 1, you basically just reiterated my point. I prefer there to be a change in number. (i.e. 24 or 73(like I mentioned)) just something different. With option 2, I don't mind that, but at the end of it all, it would still be considered a 14 route; you just have a letter to separate them. I prefer a different number. Having the 14 go to Collins TC and Springfield Mall is already good enough. Why should there be a need to have a 3rd location? Overall, so yes, you can still have the bus go to Austin-Madison, just change the overall number to something different

Chris4078

I actually like the lettering for the 14


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